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      07-17-2018, 01:17 PM   #23
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Serious question in response to your serious question: Have you read the recent indictment? If not, start there: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

This went well beyond stealing and releasing some e-mails on Wikileaks.
I have not read indictments, but it gives me a place to start. The quoted info stated clearly emails. My mind is not closed, and that's why I asked. Thank You!
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I have not read indictments, but it gives me a place to start. The quoted info stated clearly emails. My mind is not closed, and that's why I asked. Thank You!
Very interested to hear your thoughts after you have read through it. I found it both fascinating and terrifying.

This part should worry any American, regardless of political party:

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43. Between in or around June 2016 and October 2016, the Conspirators used Guccifer 2.0 to
release documents through WordPress that they had stolen from the DCCC and DNC. The
Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, also shared stolen documents with certain individuals.
a. On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received arequest for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.
b. On or about August 22, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, transferred approximately 2.5 gigabytes of data stolen from the DCCC to a then-registered state lobbyist and online source of political news. The stolen data included donor records and personal identifying information for more than 2,000 Democratic donors.

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^ the fact that the fbi did not examine the server should concern you. They trusted an outsourced firm hired by the dnc.

W.T.F?
sorry, but this is utter horse shit.
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^ the fact that the fbi did not examine the server should concern you. They trusted an outsourced firm hired by the dnc.

W.T.F?
sorry, but this is utter horse shit.
Is that according to Mark F.?
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Is that according to Mark F.?
James Comey.
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Is that according to Mark F.?
James Comey.
What does Mark F. say?
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LOL. So it wasn't the whole intelligence community, just some of it, including the CIA, FBI, and NSA. I guess that settles it then, it didn't happen unless all of them come out and publicly comment on it. Those first 3 aren't good enough, what do they know? Those are some good hoops to jump through to keep saying Russia didn't do anything.

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^ the fact that the fbi did not examine the server should concern you. They trusted an outsourced firm hired by the dnc.

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sorry, but this is utter horse shit.
Hold on there, Gonzo. Let's discuss this. What server are you talking about? There are multiple servers in play here. Also, by trusting an outsourced firm hired by the DNC, I assume you mean the firm the DNC initially hired during the election to figure out if they were hacked? Yes?

Are you saying the Mueller investigation built their entire case around 3rd party outsourced data from late 2016?
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Hold on there, Gonzo. Let's discuss this. What server are you talking about? There are multiple servers in play here. Also, by trusting an outsourced firm hired by the DNC, I assume you mean the firm the DNC initially hired during the election to figure out if they were hacked? Yes?

Are you saying the Mueller investigation built their entire case around 3rd party outsourced data from late 2016?
Yes.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...owdstrike.html
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OK, got it. I'm not a digital forensics expert but I know a little bit given that I've hired servel onto my IT team over the years. The notion that the FBI needed to take physical access to the DNC server is bunk for several reasons:

1) A real-time image from a powered up server, in situ, with memory logs intact is far more useful than unplugging the box and handing it over. IOW, don't power it down, don't remove it, dont F with it. Isolate it from the network and grab logs and data from there.

2) You need to examine the entire network infrastructure to piece together what the indictment puts forth. The little DNC server was just the endpoint (aside from the physical devices connected to it). It's a piece to the puzzle but certainly not the focal point.

3) The server itself is useful but in the end not even needed. You and I are having a convo right now, Gonzo. What I'm positing goes from my physical PC to a physical server at my work, from there it hits a server about a mile from my office where it then shoots to a server in San Fran. From there it probably makes 2 to 3 more hops before it winds up on your ISP's server near you and ultimately to your PC. At each hop, a transaction log is stored. Pull out any one server in the chain and a rookie digital forensics intern can still piece together what's transpired. Think of it like a game of telephone: I comment to Lups, Lups relays the message to Anglo, Anglo relays the message to you. Pull you out of the equation and between me, Lups, and Anglo we still know what the conversation was and where it originated.
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Very interested to hear your thoughts after you have read through it. I found it both fascinating and terrifying.
OK, do none of our high-profile political parties have security experts?

W

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FUCK!!!

No firewalls that track threats, no SSL decryption of outbound traffic to untrusted public sites. No URL filtering of malware/hacking sites. No training for end users not to click on spearfishing emails. I could go on and on, but that is disgraceful considering the ridiculous quantities of contributions these parties accept.


There are some inconsistencies in the level of detail. They have some very specific date/time logs of when Russian actors did specific things, in Russia, down to the minute, yet in other it's in or around a day or days. People proficient enough to develop X-agent don't even have their own machines with a software firewall and we were able to grab their log files???

Why would I target your computer to mine bitcoins, when I have your username/pw for the donation sites??? That would grant me direct access to funding that I could then transfer to one of my fictitious accounts. If all I needed was $95K in servers/cloud storage, that wouldn't even send up a yellow flag in 9 transactions within a week in a multi-billion $ account.


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I haven't taken "a position" on anything, since the facts aren't in.... But since you mentioned it:

- part of what the Russians are accused of hacking are the voter databases in IL and IA - which are made publicly available,

- the focus of the investigations is "did the Russians hack," and completely ignores that the DNC, Hillary, and the rest of the idiots had highly sensitive information on private email servers, being printed off by maids, sitting on Weiner's unsecured laptop, etc.

If this wasn't a Witch Hunt, there would be a parallel investigation into Hillary, the DNC, and the Obama Administration. And further investigations into criminal charges for Hillary, Donna Brazile, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz.

But it is a Witch Hunt, so don't expect that.
So the Republican controlled Congress and White House are holding off on the parallel investigation of HRC, the DNC, and Obama because, why?
Because they are ineffectual idiots. The WH gets a semi-pass, as they have a lot to do and this would be a distraction; it's the job of Congress and the DoJ.
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OK, got it. I'm not a digital forensics expert but I know a little bit given that I've hired servel onto my IT team over the years. The notion that the FBI needed to take physical access to the DNC server is bunk for several reasons:

1) A real-time image from a powered up server, in situ, with memory logs intact is far more useful than unplugging the box and handing it over. IOW, don't power it down, don't remove it, dont F with it. Isolate it from the network and grab logs and data from there.

2) You need to examine the entire network infrastructure to piece together what the indictment puts forth. The little DNC server was just the endpoint (aside from the physical devices connected to it). It's a piece to the puzzle but certainly not the focal point.

3) The server itself is useful but in the end not even needed. You and I are having a convo right now, Gonzo. What I'm positing goes from my physical PC to a physical server at my work, from there it hits a server about a mile from my office where it then shoots to a server in San Fran. From there it probably makes 2 to 3 more hops before it winds up on your ISP's server near you and ultimately to your PC. At each hop, a transaction log is stored. Pull out any one server in the chain and a rookie digital forensics intern can still piece together what's transpired. Think of it like a game of telephone: I comment to Lups, Lups relays the message to Anglo, Anglo relays the message to you. Pull you out of the equation and between me, Lups, and Anglo we still know what the conversation was and where it originated.
Except Lups would screw the whole thing up, and get all the letters of the message turned around.

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Obama acted no different than Putin, the NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts, it was all approved by Obama!
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OK, do none of our high-profile political parties have security experts?

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FUCK!!!

No firewalls that track threats, no SSL decryption of outbound traffic to untrusted public sites. No URL filtering of malware/hacking sites. No training for end users not to click on spearfishing emails. I could go on and on, but that is disgraceful considering the ridiculous quantities of contributions these parties accept.
No kidding. Even my interns can spot phishing attempts a mile away.


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There are some inconsistencies in the level of detail. They have some very specific date/time logs of when Russian actors did specific things, in Russia, down to the minute, yet in other it's in or around a day or days. People proficient enough to develop X-agent don't even have their own machines with a software firewall and we were able to grab their log files???
I'm not sure what to make of that either. The indictments are written in very specific language to fit what the courts want. It's just a recap of the evidence, no the actual evidence itself. Without access to the actual evidence, we are all just guessing. But I agree with you it's odd. My take: 12 people indicted, varying levels of technical aptitude, arrogance, and laziness, perhaps?

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Why would I target your computer to mine bitcoins, when I have your username/pw for the donation sites??? That would grant me direct access to funding that I could then transfer to one of my fictitious accounts. If all I needed was $95K in servers/cloud storage, that wouldn't even send up a yellow flag in 9 transactions within a week in a multi-billion $ account.
Well that one is easy. $95k suddenly missing would certainly raise alarm bells. These guys were in there with complete access for months and months before anyone noticed.
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Here's a project for you.
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I grasped some and the rest is on my ceiling.
it's pretty easy to debunk or write off the bulk of what I skimmed through. Basically it's calling a ton of things into question because the authors only have the indictment and not the actual evidence to go off of. Well no sh*t things dont make sense to you. You dont have the full picture.

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Again, everything found on Google relating to “blablabla1234565” is in relation to the indictment, where were these details during the past 2 years, where have they come from and how has X-Agent development/monitoring been traced back to this individual?
Seriously? Because you couldn't find anything on Google related to one of the Russian hackers, aside for the indictment, then he/she must be fabricated? Because he didn't leave a footprint on Google? Because this conspirator could not be Googled we are questioning how his/her actions were traced and discovered? Like the extent of our highest law enforcement's digital forensics toolkit is Google. What's next, Siri?

FBI - "Hey Siri, what was DB Cooper's real name?"
Siri - "I found a coopers deli not far from you. Would you like directions?"
FBI - 'Well we give up. This one's not getting solved."
FBI -"Hey Siri, who was the Zodiac Killer?"
Siri - "I found 3 websites related to Zodiac boats."
FBI - "Ah F it, let's go frame Trump."

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^ ending made me spit a bit.

I am as tech savvy as a bottle cap, which is why I asked for help. When I was a Director, IT was nothing more than a sprout.
I graduated from a pretty darn tough university before the internet. My internet was a Schwinn and a library.

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^ the fact that the fbi did not examine the server should concern you. They trusted an outsourced firm hired by the dnc.

W.T.F?
sorry, but this is utter horse shit.
false-they have the images.

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UncW.

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https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/07...public-domain/

I grasped some and the rest is on my ceiling.
it's pretty easy to debunk or write off the bulk of what I skimmed through. Basically it's calling a ton of things into question because the authors only have the indictment and not the actual evidence to go off of. Well no sh*t things dont make sense to you. You dont have the full picture.

My personal favorite gem:

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Again, everything found on Google relating to "blablabla1234565" is in relation to the indictment, where were these details during the past 2 years, where have they come from and how has X-Agent development/monitoring been traced back to this individual?
Seriously? Because you couldn't find anything on Google related to one of the Russian hackers, aside for the indictment, then he/she must be fabricated? Because he didn't leave a footprint on Google? Because this conspirator could not be Googled we are questioning how his/her actions were traced and discovered? Like the extent of our highest law enforcement's digital forensics toolkit is Google. What's next, Siri?

FBI - "Hey Siri, what was DB Cooper's real name?"
Siri - "I found a coopers deli not far from you. Would you like directions?"
FBI - 'Well we give up. This one's not getting solved."
FBI -"Hey Siri, who was the Zodiac Killer?"
Siri - "I found 3 websites related to Zodiac boats."
FBI - "Ah F it, let's go frame Trump."
It's all too easy to debunk his shit. Low hanging fruit.
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I grasped some and the rest is on my ceiling.
The scary part is that we do have to trust the alphabet-soup government agencies, and those they hire for tech support. Much of what was in that is techno-babble-legally-puts-maybe-a-question stuff. So can a judge and/or jury get to "beyond a reasonable doubt" level? Without seeing the details of the timing, coupled with my questions above about the indictment and variations in the timing called out, I can't really say.

You've seen those pictures of Marilyn singing Happy Birthday to Lincoln, right? IF someone wants to change the details and make it look like Fancy Bear was written on 9/11/99, it COULD be done. I could change my clock to that date, compile a version where I put my signature on it, and then say *I* originally wrote Fancy Bear, they are all just copying my work that I used just for my thesis, I never released it in the wild.
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