Richard Mille Tourbillon RM 56-02 Sapphire

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

I just love the fact that Nadal wears the RMs to play in. I cannot imagine a worse thing that anyone would, within reason, put a watch through short of using the paint shaker at Home Depot as a winder.

??? Not sure I follow....watches aren't so delicate that playing tennis with one is going to harm it, unless you actually hit it with tennis racket or the ball itself slams into it.

All the best.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by tony20009

??? Not sure I follow....watches aren't so delicate that playing tennis with one is going to harm it, unless you actually hit it with tennis racket or the ball itself slams into it.

All the best.

If I were to play tennis with one sure, no big deal. But the violent force with which he swings and hits, I read someplace that it's horrible over time for the movement. I think on his two hander I read someplace 4-5Gs. We're not talking about complete failure, just throwing things out of perfect over time. Although the latest RM is supposed to handle some crazy g-forces so who knows. It's like anything else that's mechanical it will eventually need adjusting. Although for this specific watch I think it's better suited for this type of abuse than most other things out there.

[TSM330i]

Wow! This set off quite a few responses. I haven't been on the forum for a few days.

Bottom line is: IF you can afford $2 million for a watch, the "other items" listed won't really come into play. It's a completely different mind set. More than likely, the person that can afford this watch, already has all the other items.

A buddy of mine was asking me about watches (he knows nothing) and the brands and models he was asking me about were all $135,00 - $225,000. He said a friend of his was looking for a daily wear watch. Turned out he did buy the one for $225,000, he's also a billionaire.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by TSM330i

Wow! This set off quite a few responses. I haven't been on the forum for a few days.

Bottom line is: IF you can afford $2 million for a watch, the "other items" listed won't really come into play. It's a completely different mind set. More than likely, the person that can afford this watch, already has all the other items.

A buddy of mine was asking me about watches (he knows nothing) and the brands and models he was asking me about were all $135,00 - $225,000. He said a friend of his was looking for a daily wear watch. Turned out he did buy the one for $225,000, he's also a billionaire.

To be honest, everyone who I know who could afford to spend that much never in a million years would even consider it. Probably why they can afford it in the first place

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

To be honest, everyone who I know who could afford to spend that much never in a million years would even consider it. Probably why they can afford it in the first place

+1 sort of.....

I think spending $2M on a watch is one thing and spending it on that particular watch cited in the OP is quite another. I liken the former to buying a DaVinci (depending on the watch) and the latter to buying excrement de la DaVinci's.

All the best.

[Benedict1957]

Originally Posted by TSM330i

Wow! This set off quite a few responses. I haven't been on the forum for a few days.

Bottom line is: IF you can afford $2 million for a watch, the "other items" listed won't really come into play. It's a completely different mind set. More than likely, the person that can afford this watch, already has all the other items.

A buddy of mine was asking me about watches (he knows nothing) and the brands and models he was asking me about were all $135,00 - $225,000. He said a friend of his was looking for a daily wear watch. Turned out he did buy the one for $225,000, he's also a billionaire.

+1. There's much ado about nothing regarding the price of this watch.

As a personal rule of thumb, one should never spend more than .5% of one's wealth (non-inclusive of primary residence) on a watch. The kinds of people who buy $5000 watches are usually worth around $1M (5000/.005) which pretty much follows what you'll see in practice. People who buy $100,000 watches are worth around $20M. People who buy $2,000,000 watches are billionaires. Most "middle class" watches can be had for < $1000 and are affordable, by this criterion, to people worth $200,000 (or less).

The people who are suggesting that one buy a $150,000 PAM in lieu of this $2,000,000 RM are missing the point. These are different markets.

[Benedict1957]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

To be honest, everyone who I know who could afford to spend that much never in a million years would even consider it. Probably why they can afford it in the first place

Not necessarily. The people who can afford a $2,000,000 watch did not make their money slow and steady over time. These are people who made an exorbitant amount of money in a very short period of time.

Slow and steady saving with frugal expenditures and typical top 1-5% jobs will get you into the $1M-$10M range over a lifetime (usually the lower end of that range). A lot of these people tend to be extremely frugal as you suggest, but no one in this wealth bracket can afford a $2,000,000 watch, not even those worth $10M.

The people who can afford a $2,000,000 watch made a huge windfall very quickly. They need not have lived frugal lifestyles to accumulate their wealth.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Benedict1957

Not necessarily. The people who can afford a $2,000,000 watch did not make their money slow and steady over time. These are people who made an exorbitant amount of money in a very short period of time.

Slow and steady saving with frugal expenditures and typical top 1-5% jobs will get you into the $1M-$10M range over a lifetime (usually the lower end of that range). A lot of these people tend to be extremely frugal as you suggest, but no one in this wealth bracket can afford a $2,000,000 watch, not even those worth $10M.

The people who can afford a $2,000,000 watch made a huge windfall very quickly. They need not have lived frugal lifestyles to accumulate their wealth.

Just speaking for my personal experience with self made folks running mutual funds, hospital systems, biotech geniuses etc. One guy in particular I know is worth half a billion conservative estimate and drives an old Saab. There's no general rule I'm just speaking from my personal experience with people I know, that's all.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Just speaking for my personal experience with self made folks running mutual funds, hospital systems, biotech geniuses etc. One guy in particular I know is worth half a billion conservative estimate and drives an old Saab. There's no general rule I'm just speaking from my personal experience with people I know, that's all.

The first general rule I can think of is that most folks -- regardless of their wealth -- are not going to spend $2M+ on a watch. The second general rule is that those who do so, do so in large measure because they can, again regardless of their wealth. (I.e., some may find a way to be able to do so and others just can because they can.) In any regard, given the production numbers of such watches, the third general rule is that it's all but impossible to generalize about the ten or fewer folks on the planet will buy such watches. LOL

All the best.

[Gunzaro]

I just bought one of these:

The particular color I got was Limited edition to 188 pieces worldwide. In-house movement. Very happy to wear it.

[TSM330i]

Originally Posted by Gunzaro

I just bought one of these:

The particular color I got was Limited edition to 188 pieces worldwide. In-house movement. Very happy to wear it.

VERY nice piece! I like it a lot.

[Z K]

Well, you have a lot of different types of people with money. Being in San Francisco and with a lot of tech company billionaires around - they tend to be pretty low key. People like Mark Zuckerberg who wears hoodies and jeans every day and sits in a cubicle with the rest of his people and drives a VW GTI every day. So these people would probably never buy such displays of wealth even though they have the means to.

[1MOREMOD]

I could afford it I just don't want it.

[bamboostk86]

I like my swatch

[E90Alex]

Originally Posted by Z K

Well, you have a lot of different types of people with money. Being in San Francisco and with a lot of tech company billionaires around - they tend to be pretty low key. People like Mark Zuckerberg who wears hoodies and jeans every day and sits in a cubicle with the rest of his people and drives a VW GTI every day. So these people would probably never buy such displays of wealth even though they have the means to.

Didnt zuckerberg just place an order on a Pagani Huayra?

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by E90Alex

Didnt zuckerberg just place an order on a Pagani Huayra?

Is this for real? Cool car.

[NemesisX]

Originally Posted by Z K

Well, you have a lot of different types of people with money. Being in San Francisco and with a lot of tech company billionaires around - they tend to be pretty low key. People like Mark Zuckerberg who wears hoodies and jeans every day and sits in a cubicle with the rest of his people and drives a VW GTI every day. So these people would probably never buy such displays of wealth even though they have the means to.

Zuck can try but he'll never be low key regardless of what he wears or drives

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by Z K

Well, you have a lot of different types of people with money. Being in San Francisco and with a lot of tech company billionaires around - they tend to be pretty low key. People like Mark Zuckerberg who wears hoodies and jeans every day and sits in a cubicle with the rest of his people and drives a VW GTI every day. So these people would probably never buy such displays of wealth even though they have the means to.

My unscientific observation is that few newly well off folks are "low key" about much of anything, so taken are they with their success and good fortune. Their ebullience isn't unmerited and more power to them and I wish them much continued success.

As for M.Z. the guy isn't from what anyone would call humble beginnings. Money and the indulgences it can buy aren't new to him at all. His father is a dentist and Mark went to Exeter. M.Z. comes from the land of "old money" and folks who appear as though they are (were) from "old money."

I do agree, however, that there are many understated wealthy folks in San Francisco and the surrounding area. The thing is that American culture today isn't as dressy, structured and formal as it was even some 40 years ago. As a result, most rich folks -- when they aren't engaged in some "rich folks only" extravagant activity -- are going to appear to be low key.

All the best.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by tony20009

My unscientific observation is that few newly well off folks arem't "low key" about much of anything, so taken are they with their success and good fortune. Their ebullience isn't unmerited and more power to them and I wish them much continued success.

As for M.Z. the guy isn't from what anyone would call humble beginnings. Money and the indulgences it can buy aren't new to him at all. His father is a dentist and Mark went to Exeter. M.Z. comes from the land of "old money" and folks who appear as though they are (were) from "old money."

I do agree, however, that there are many understated wealthy folks in San Francisco and the surrounding area. The thing is that American culture today isn't as dressy, structured and formal as it was even some 40 years ago. As a result, most rich folks -- when they aren't engaged in some "rich folks only" extravagant activity -- are going to appear to be low key.

All the best.

Friends of mine have met him and/or worked with him before. From what everyone says, he seems like any other normal guy. You'll find him walking his dog around SF, eating in the company cafeteria and having a beer at local places.

But that is just an example. A lot of tech money people are not into materialistic things. It's really a part of the engineering background of the people. Anyone who does coding and programming knows what it's like and the attitude among computer engineers towards money. It's very low key and any display of wealth is looked down upon.

I guess contrast that with people like Larry Ellison who cruises into his office at Oracle on a yacht and spends a fortune on his toys...

[E90Alex]

Originally Posted by Z K

Friends of mine have met him and/or worked with him before. From what everyone says, he seems like any other normal guy. You'll find him walking his dog around SF, eating in the company cafeteria and having a beer at local places.

But that is just an example. A lot of tech money people are not into materialistic things. It's really a part of the engineering background of the people. Anyone who does coding and programming knows what it's like and the attitude among computer engineers towards money. It's very low key and any display of wealth is looked down upon.

I guess contrast that with people like Larry Ellison who cruises into his office at Oracle on a yacht and spends a fortune on his toys...

Thats until Zuckerberg takes delivery of his Pagani Huayra