Any insights on Pace University in NY?

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by NYSPEM3

Ergo the term "Ivy PLUS"

I would say top 20-30 although 30 would be a bit of a stretch. I am sure people will come in with stories about this or that person they know who went to University of Phoenix and landed a $100K/yr job. However those are definitely the exceptions and not the norm.

Also, getting a MBA from a low ranked school doesn't mean you won't be able to find a job. It's just not worth it, i.e. considering the tuition and other expenses and opportunity costs you might be better off spending the time on something more practical and still along the same lines like accounting which will cost you much less and has a better market.

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

no offense but you guys don't know what your talking about. Rutgers is a top business school and its a state school and is hard as hell to get in. There are plenty of good schools that aren't ivy league, most school have programs where companies come to hire kids from that school, so the people you know must be lazy, because i think all schools have this program.

i live 20 minutes from rutgers i know a lot about it. pretty much if you live in nj and apply then your in. granted the business school is a little harder to get into.

and the biggest difference is the work load at the school. i have friends that go to the so called "good" state schools(Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State) and the work load cant compare to any of the top schools. not even close. it doesnt mean the school isnt good the work load is just very light

thats one reason why the best schools are the best schools. kids learn how to work there asses off day and night and when they graduate, businesses know they will continue to work hard. that along with a world class education in hard to pass up

and also state schools have large graduating classes. so if you do choose a state school you gotta finish top of the class or interviews will be harder to come by

[out4scrilla]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

no offense but you guys don't know what your talking about. Rutgers is a top business school and its a state school and is hard as hell to get in. There are plenty of good schools that aren't ivy league, most school have programs where companies come to hire kids from that school, so the people you know must be lazy, because i think all schools have this program.

you can get into rutgers wit a 3.2 and well written essay

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

you can get into rutgers wit a 3.2 and well written essay

you can get in with a 2.5

[Kev]

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

i live 20 minutes from rutgers i know a lot about it. pretty much if you live in nj and apply then your in. granted the business school is a little harder to get into.

and the biggest difference is the work load at the school. i have friends that go to the so called "good" state schools(Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State) and the work load cant compare to any of the top schools. not even close. it doesnt mean the school isnt good the work load is just very light

thats one reason why the best schools are the best schools. kids learn how to work there asses off day and night and when they graduate, businesses know they will continue to work hard. that along with a world class education in hard to pass up

and also state schools have large graduating classes. so if you do choose a state school you gotta finish top of the class or interviews will be harder to come by

I sorta disagree. I went to a public school for undergrad and grad (University of Wisconsin - Madison). Then, I went to a private medical school (Boston University). While at BU, I tutored kids from BU, Harvard, and Northeastern for microbiology, immunology and biochemistry to make a few extra bucks, they all seem to have a relatively light load of course work compared to what my undergrad experience. We'd be having 2-3 midterms plus a final for each class and tons of papers to write for upper level classes.

[asdflkijd]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

well im gonna sleep like a baby tonight since i'm done with midterms but i feel like killing myself my head hurts, my eyes are bloodshot, and my whole body is in pain. midterms/finals are the most stressful times for a college student

lol, I went 4 days without sleeping... nobody has it worst than architecture students....

[ejazbmw]

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

i live 20 minutes from rutgers i know a lot about it. pretty much if you live in nj and apply then your in. granted the business school is a little harder to get into.

and the biggest difference is the work load at the school. i have friends that go to the so called "good" state schools(Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State) and the work load cant compare to any of the top schools. not even close. it doesnt mean the school isnt good the work load is just very light

thats one reason why the best schools are the best schools. kids learn how to work there asses off day and night and when they graduate, businesses know they will continue to work hard. that along with a world class education in hard to pass up

and also state schools have large graduating classes. so if you do choose a state school you gotta finish top of the class or interviews will be harder to come by

man i go to NYU which is pretty well known, and is up there in top schools. I still think the accounting classes i took at Rutgers were harder then the accounting classes I'm taking now. The difference i see is at NYU they expect you to be smart and understand whats going on so the professor don't really teach but they lecture and they expect you teach yourself. While at Rutgers they kicked my ass too the exams were unbelievably hard and the professor were very interested in the topics which made me want to understand shit.

The only reason why i went to NYU is because I wanted something different, and for you to say state colleges are below isn't correct. Also the work load was probably the same that i receive at nyu. I don't think you have enough creditably to talk about this topic unless you went to a state school then a private top school......like me

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

you can get into rutgers wit a 3.2 and well written essay

to get in the business school you need a 3.5 and they don't just accept anyone for their business school..

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

you can get in with a 2.5

[NYSPEM3]

B-school... it's not what you'll learn, it's who you'll know.
Enough said.

[dth656]

+1 on the ivy plus:

http://ivyplussociety.org/clubportal...enuoptID=18121

[dth656]

in grad school, i met a group of rutgers business undergrads, and wasn't too impressed. admittedly, it was a small sample population (4-5), but in the context of demanding group work/projects (assumption being that being required to crank out high quality deliverables in a short amount of time can be a proxy for overall job performance).

an an unrelated note, however, i will say that rutgers seems to be desi central. being "abcd" myself, i fail to understand how these children of mostly affluent backgrounds end up there. to me, its a lack of work ethic (i.e. if your parents are sufficiently affluent, you should be able to take some kaplan prep or princeton review courses: if you put enough work into it, relative intelligence shouldn't matter as much). my .02.

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

no offense but you guys don't know what your talking about. Rutgers is a top business school and its a state school and is hard as hell to get in. There are plenty of good schools that aren't ivy league, most school have programs where companies come to hire kids from that school, so the people you know must be lazy, because i think all schools have this program.

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

man i go to NYU which is pretty well known, and is up there in top schools. I still think the accounting classes i took at Rutgers were harder then the accounting classes I'm taking now. The difference i see is at NYU they expect you to be smart and understand whats going on so the professor don't really teach but they lecture and they expect you teach yourself. While at Rutgers they kicked my ass too the exams were unbelievably hard and the professor were very interested in the topics which made me want to understand shit.

The only reason why i went to NYU is because I wanted something different, and for you to say state colleges are below isn't correct. Also the work load was probably the same that i receive at nyu. I don't think you have enough creditably to talk about this topic unless you went to a state school then a private top school......like me

ok so maybe rutgers is the different than the rest but i know plenty of people at rutgers and they say the work is pretty easy.

my gf is in business at the University of Delaware and she probably does less than 4 hours of hw a week. my friend is at Maryland as a mechanical engineer major. he says he goes weeks sometimes and gets almost no work.

also my friends at penn state say that the work load is very light.

so maybe rutgers is different but the are many state schools out there that are a lot less work than the top privates.

and p.s. its credibility

[Kiemyster]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

It's people like you that just make me shake my head. People with such lack of motivation should not be able to own nice things, IMO. Most people have to work for what they have/get.

Why don't you just go to a community college if you are going to go to an easy college AND major in business? It would save you on money and get you about the same place.

Honestly, I just cant be able to make the money I need to if I have to spend my time cracking books. I dont care about where my degree comes from. I dont plan on working for anyone but myself. My credentials dont matter - i have no intentions on climbing up a corporate ladder.

Im shooting for real estate law, and as far as im informed its a post graduate degree. Just doing busienss to get that degree so i can move onwards with law.

I dont want to go to a school where the educational program is shit. I need something thats worthwhile that i can at least extract something from it. what a cunt.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

Honestly, I just cant be able to make the money I need to if I have to spend my time cracking books. I dont care about where my degree comes from. I dont plan on working for anyone but myself. My credentials dont matter - i have no intentions on climbing up a corporate ladder.

Im shooting for real estate law, and as far as im informed its a post graduate degree. Just doing busienss to get that degree so i can move onwards with law.

I dont want to go to a school where the educational program is shit. I need something thats worthwhile that i can at least extract something from it. what a cunt.

That's actually similar to what I am doing (biz undergrad, law school)
If you're shooting for law, that's a different game. Law schools will look @ 2 things, ur undergrad GPA (and institution) and your LSAT score pretty much determine which school you get into (assuming you're not an underrepresented candidate). Having that in mind, the best thing to do is to strike the right balance between the school ranking and the GPA you can get out of that school. For example in CA, getting a 3.9/4.0 GPA from a Cal State university will be better for your law school application than a 3.4 from a UC, even if the UC is ranked considerably higher than the CSU. Also, your undergrad major won't make much difference so go into a major that's easier to boost your GPA.

[ejazbmw]

Originally Posted by dth656

in grad school, i met a group of rutgers business undergrads, and wasn't too impressed. admittedly, it was a small sample population (4-5), but in the context of demanding group work/projects (assumption being that being required to crank out high quality deliverables in a short amount of time can be a proxy for overall job performance).

an an unrelated note, however, i will say that rutgers seems to be desi central. being "abcd" myself, i fail to understand how these children of mostly affluent backgrounds end up there. to me, its a lack of work ethic (i.e. if your parents are sufficiently affluent, you should be able to take some kaplan prep or princeton review courses: if you put enough work into it, relative intelligence shouldn't matter as much). my .02.

lol i will say I'm desi myself and will agree, but the way i see it is because Rutgers is next to desi town ie edison

[Kiemyster]

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

That's actually similar to what I am doing (biz undergrad, law school)
If you're shooting for law, that's a different game. Law schools will look @ 2 things, ur undergrad GPA (and institution) and your LSAT score pretty much determine which school you get into (assuming you're not an underrepresented candidate). Having that in mind, the best thing to do is to strike the right balance between the school ranking and the GPA you can get out of that school. For example in CA, getting a 3.9/4.0 GPA from a Cal State university will be better for your law school application than a 3.4 from a UC, even if the UC is ranked considerably higher than the CSU. Also, your undergrad major won't make much difference so go into a major that's easier to boost your GPA.

Yeah, ive got a 3.8, so im safe thus far. what law are you getting into?

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

Yeah, ive got a 3.8, so im safe thus far. what law are you getting into?

I am going to try a JD/MBA but this year I am only applying to law schools. Once I get in, I will have 2 years to apply to the B-school @ whichever university I get into. So far I am thinking IP/Patent/Technology but that can change in the future.
LSAC recalculates your undergrad GPA based on its own rules. For example if you fail a class, retake it and pass, your GPA will only include the retake but LSAC adds the fail grade back in so try to keep your transcript as clean and straight as possible. 3.8 is good enough to give you a shot at t14, contingent upon your LSAT score of course.

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

I am going to try a JD/MBA but this year I am only applying to law schools. Once I get in, I will have 2 years to apply to the B-school @ whichever university I get into. So far I am thinking IP/Patent/Technology but that can change in the future.
LSAC recalculates your undergrad GPA based on its own rules. For example if you fail a class, retake it and pass, your GPA will only include the retake but LSAC adds the fail grade back in so try to keep your transcript as clean and straight as possible. 3.8 is good enough to give you a shot at t14, contingent upon your LSAT score of course.

My business law prof. told me that in order to get into patent law you have to have some sort of science background (either major or minor). I'm not sure if that was state-specific or just a general rule though

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by Buegie

My business law prof. told me that in order to get into patent law you have to have some sort of science background (either major or minor). I'm not sure if that was state-specific or just a general rule though

From what I have heard, it's not an absolute must but certainly a huge help. The point is that you should be comfortable with science and technology. I have a BS in mechanical engineering (that was before I went back to school for my BA in business-econ) so I kind of have that area covered. It sure wouldn't be wise to go into patent law if you're a technophobe

[Kiemyster]

Originally Posted by Buegie

My business law prof. told me that in order to get into patent law you have to have some sort of science background (either major or minor). I'm not sure if that was state-specific or just a general rule though

Ive already got a phd in herbology

But thats good info, ill have to look into that

[Davin]

everyone ah say u lazy