Next Generation Toyota 86

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I told my wife it would be a perfect car for a teenager who wants something sporty looking but can’t go fast and kill them as easy.

"Challenge Accepted!"

-Literally every teenager ever

[chowser51]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

There are literally a dozen just on this page. But they aren't official.

Thanks. For some reason my browser wasn’t loading any pics. I can see them now on my phone.

I might pick up a BRZ as a spare car.

[supra93]

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142652

[OkieSnuffBox]

If what people are saying is true about the 217-220 hp, that's going to be a big let down if they haven't managed to pull some weight out.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

If what people are saying is true about the 217-220 hp, that's going to be a big let down if they haven't managed to pull some weight out.

I completely agree. The car should have turbocharged with ~250hp. Subaru has a turbo 4 and Toyota has a turbo 3 that would be perfect for these cars. Some people may say a turbo would ruin the experience, but so does going numbingly slow. Also, this car will receive a hybrid/electrified model by 2025 so that point is moot by Toyota's own objective and ever increasing emissions standards.

I know this could/would cannibalize 4 cylinder Supra sales, but not only should there not have been a 4 cylinder Supra, they shouldn't have been so similar that their demographics overlap. I don't see the need for 2 budget Caymans within Toyota's lineup and I believe is problematic in a dwindling sports car market.

[fullstack]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i owned one for about a year. its an awesome machine and very fun... but only under 70mph.

I doubt this thing will offer much improvement over the current gen.. otherwise its going to cut into the 4 cylinder supra sales.

Toyota's neutering the 86 so it doesn't eat into the supra 2.0 sales and, at the same time, they're neutering the supra 2.0 so it doesn't eat into the 86 sales. Brilliant.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fullstack

Toyota's neutering the 86 so it doesn't eat into the supra 2.0 sales and, at the same time, they're neutering the supra 2.0 so it doesn't eat into the 86 sales. Brilliant.

Toyota has made a grand total of one really good car, why would anyone expect them to deviate from mediocracy?

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by fullstack

Toyota's neutering the 86 so it doesn't eat into the supra 2.0 sales and, at the same time, they're neutering the supra 2.0 so it doesn't eat into the 86 sales. Brilliant.

Lol

"But also, here's a 270 hp, AWD hatch with a 6-speed"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33678/...ual-awd-report

[jmg]

Originally Posted by kaputt

I thought the latest leak was 217HP NA motor with ~170 lb ft of toruqe?

I think it staying NA is likely, to separate it from the 4 cyl supra.

I will say, if they have improved the interior slightly to make it a bit more quiet and refined I will be interested.

But that's not what the car was designed to do....

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Moflow

Lol

"But also, here's a 270 hp, AWD hatch with a 6-speed"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33678/...ual-awd-report

Lol so now the FRS owners will be spanked my Corolla hatchbacks and CH-R's. Seriously, if this is true wtf are they doing?

[bucketfoot]

I'm all for it staying NA and frankly have no interest in it if it goes to a turbo.

There are more than enough turbo 4's in the market. It's real simple, if you don't like the exceptional balance a car like this or the MX-5 offers, get something else.

I don't know how soon it will happen (certainly within the next year), but my next car will be either this (as long as it is still an NA) or the Miata.

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by jmg

Lol so now the FRS owners will be spanked my Corolla hatchbacks and CH-R's. Seriously, if this is true wtf are they doing?

If you are driving this car for straight line performance and are worried about how other cars outperform it in this manner, you are driving the wrong car

[jmg]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

If you are driving this car for straight line performance and are worried about how other cars outperform it in this manner, you are driving the wrong car

Let's be honest, there are many... MANY FR-S drivers who don't get it for this reason attested by the fact that many of them have tried to streetlight race me numerous times despite me having a couple hundred horsepower and torque on them. I've met many nice people with highly modified FR-S's that have NEVER seen a track. These are most likely hard parkers who find the sticker price, car culture stature, and styling appealing. These are the people who will be irked that the Corolla hatchback will beat them at the stoplight... because that's all they mostly know.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

If you are driving this car for straight line performance and are worried about how other cars outperform it in this manner, you are driving the wrong car

I bet the Corolla handles though. This isn’t going to be another V6 Camry. It won’t necessarily dance like an 86, but it will be capable around corners if I had to guess.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I completely agree. The car should have turbocharged with ~250hp. Subaru has a turbo 4 and Toyota has a turbo 3 that would be perfect for these cars. Some people may say a turbo would ruin the experience, but so does going numbingly slow. Also, this car will receive a hybrid/electrified model by 2025 so that point is moot by Toyota's own objective and ever increasing emissions standards.

I know this could/would cannibalize 4 cylinder Supra sales, but not only should there not have been a 4 cylinder Supra, they shouldn't have been so similar that their demographics overlap. I don't see the need for 2 budget Caymans within Toyota's lineup and I believe is problematic in a dwindling sports car market.

Making the BRZ a turbo would basically push it near base STi price and add a few hundred pounds of weight, not only through all the supporting hardware for the turbo, but a strong transmission, differential, larger brakes, etc, etc.

That kind of misses the point of the BRZ.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Making the BRZ a turbo would basically push it near base STi price and add a few hundred pounds of weight, not only through all the supporting hardware for the turbo, but a strong transmission, differential, larger brakes, etc, etc.

That kind of misses the point of the BRZ.

I think too many people are locked into the idea of a single engine option because the current twins only have a single engine option.

If you offer both an affordable NA model and more expensive turbo model then this isn't an issue.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I think too many people are locked into the idea of a single engine option because the current twins only have a single engine option.

If you offer both an affordable NA model and more expensive turbo model then this isn't an issue.

That’s what I hope they do! NA for fun at low speeds purists. Turbo for those looking to have fun at speed too. And manual in both please.

[supra93]

Old spy pics/test mule, but it was benchmarking against the A110 and Miata.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...=137352&page=8

[kaputt]

I am someone that hopes they keep it NA. A small bump in power is perfectly fine, what they really need to fix is the power delivery. Low HP NA cars are fine if you can get a linear pull to red line. The torque dip in the twins was pretty bad.

[fullstack]

They need to do whatever they need to do to justify wider rear wheels. Without that, the 86 will remain the perfect high-schooler's car.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I think too many people are locked into the idea of a single engine option because the current twins only have a single engine option.

If you offer both an affordable NA model and more expensive turbo model then this isn't an issue.

Again, they would essentially be two different vehicles for all the changes that would be needed. There just isn't a business case for it.

Originally Posted by fullstack

They need to do whatever they need to do to justify wider rear wheels. Without that, the 86 will remain the perfect high-schooler's car.

The first-gen can fit 18x9.5 with 255/35s on stock fenders (this is what I ran on mine), with just the right offset you can squeeze 18x10 and 265/35s.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Again, they would essentially be two different vehicles for all the changes that would be needed. There just isn't a business case for it.

Saying "again" does not legitimize your point. I read it and fully understood, I just disagree.

The customer is always right, and if the lack of power is deterring paying customers then it should be considered. I can't say I have the market research on the potential turbo 86, but neither do you to say there isn't a business case.