Thinking about selling my toys for something else...

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

As much as I hate to admit it, the first gen Z4 was always a really well built car. Not fast, but engaging. Good chassis, and quick on its feet, and everything always felt nice in them. Really spectacular build quality in them.

But every performance metric they got walloped by even a base C5 Corvette or late C4, let alone a C6 of its vintage, but that's the price you pay for a well built "thrill of driving" roadster vs a full on performance car.

Well said. I feel like the "thrill of driving" has been largely lost to which car has the best acceleration, power, and lap stats and also at the expense of lots of refinement and over .

There is really something to be said for a car that you somewhat safely hustle at 7/10ths+ on a B road and even have fun on your 3 mile jaunt to grab a coffee at legal speeds while mildly driving a bit like an a-hole. If every time you get in the car, the drive is an "experience" then you know you've found the right car, IMO.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Why not? It's like getting a 911 for Z4 money. Plus no risk of rust.

It's just a much bigger car. It's fast and grippy but it's not playful.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

See i'd never consider a vette for the street vs a Z4M.

The C8 Z51 is the one to get for that IMO. Performance package enough to put out insane lap times compared to stuff that costs similar, but not so brutal or expensive. Sure, there's the Z06 and higher trims siting out there...but if you are going to drive to 10/10ths that's where those come in IMO. The C8 does great up to 9/10ths and I think the main complaint was the brake-by-wire calibration, but overall extremely sorted and great for street is what I've gotten. And you have torque for days.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It's just a much bigger car. It's fast and grippy but it's not playful.

It's VERY playful with the nannies off. Super well balanced chassis, and very easy to slide around. But it also has way more power so things are higher stake.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

The C8 Z51 is the one to get for that IMO. Performance package enough to put out insane lap times compared to stuff that costs similar, but not so brutal or expensive. Sure, there's the Z06 and higher trims siting out there...but if you are going to drive to 10/10ths that's where those come in IMO. The C8 does great up to 9/10ths and I think the main complaint was the brake-by-wire calibration, but overall extremely sorted and great for street is what I've gotten. And you have torque for days.

Except it's a total snooze to drive. Plus it's automatic only, which is the opposite of fun.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Except it's a total snooze to drive. Plus it's automatic only, which is the opposite of fun.

Me thinks you don't like turns? Just fast in straight lines?

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Me thinks you don't like turns? Just fast in straight lines?

Total opposite actually. I like a car that rotates the rear end with some oversteer in a turn... Or a lot of oversteer. I don't like mod engine cars that understeer like the C8, and I don't like cars that are numbers over driving pleasure like the C8.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Well said. I feel like the "thrill of driving" has been largely lost to which car has the best acceleration, power, and lap stats and also at the expense of lots of refinement and over .

There is really something to be said for a car that you somewhat safely hustle at 7/10ths+ on a B road and even have fun on your 3 mile jaunt to grab a coffee at legal speeds while mildly driving a bit like an a-hole. If every time you get in the car, the drive is an "experience" then you know you've found the right car, IMO.

I love my Miata. It's my 6th Miata. No interest in a Z4M now. Although, I almost bought one when they were fairly new after a test drive.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The answer here is usually Golf R

What year & what are they going for?

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

E86 M Coupe is my vote if we are now looking at 35 year old E30. 🤣🤣🤣

But seriously, the E86 is so fickin stiff, the body just does not flex. A great platform. My 2 cents.

Doesn't do anything for me. An E46 M3 does do something for me, but RWD so does not meet my winter driver criteria

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Completely different cars, the vette is like twice the size. A Z4M packs a decent punch from a overly straight 6 and is inherently fun to drive.

That's like comparing a Miata to the Vette as well lol

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

What year & what are they going for?

Honestly I don't know much about them as I refuse to own a RWD "fun" car but they were stupid expensive for years. However things may have changed with the recent downturn.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Honestly I don't know much about them as I refuse to own a RWD "fun" car but they were stupid expensive for years. However things may have changed with the recent downturn.

I think they just had their last year with a manual, so prices of used manuals are likely high.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

As much as I hate to admit it, the first gen Z4 was always a really well built car. Not fast, but engaging. Good chassis, and quick on its feet, and everything always felt nice in them. Really spectacular build quality in them.

But every performance metric they got walloped by even a base C5 Corvette or late C4, let alone a C6 of its vintage, but that's the price you pay for a well built "thrill of driving" roadster vs a full on performance car.

After reading this, I checked performance numbers of 2008 Base Vette coupe against the 2008 Z4M coupe. The internet numbers say the Vette is 4.5 to 60 mph and the Z4M is 4.8. On some of the same tracks, the Vette is between .2 to .5 seconds faster. I'd not call that "walloped". For a car as a toy for street use, the deltas are immaterial. And the Z4M Coupe is incredibly rare compared to a Corvette.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Doesn't do anything for me. An E46 M3 does do something for me, but RWD so does not meet my winter driver criteria

The E46 M3 and Z4M coupe are literally the same car underneath.

[Alfisti]

The vette and the Z4 are just different cars.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The E46 M3 and Z4M coupe are literally the same car underneath.

Yea but the driving experience couldn't be more different (I own a Z4MR). Sure, same engine, similar brakes ect.... but the driving position alone makes it feel like a completely different animal.

I've said it in so many threads, but you can pick up a good Z4MR for under $20k. That's a bargain when you compare to what E46 M3's are going for.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

After reading this, I checked performance numbers of 2008 Base Vette coupe against the 2008 Z4M coupe. The internet numbers say the Vette is 4.5 to 60 mph and the Z4M is 4.8. On some of the same tracks, the Vette is between .2 to .5 seconds faster. I'd not call that "walloped". For a car as a toy for street use, the deltas are immaterial. And the Z4M Coupe is incredibly rare compared to a Corvette.

4.5? That's... Wildly conservative. It's been a while since I've had a narrow body car, but Grand Sports are usually like 4 flat. Lots of debate on if the narrow body is slower or faster, but the general consensus it's it's barely slower than the GS, but harder to launch.

The Z4M is definitely rarer, and infinitely less reliable motor wise. Corvette parts are plentiful and cheap. Anything you want to upgrade, you can, for a reasonable price. Want to make 600hp? No problem, buy a blower and long tubes for $7500. Want more grip? Buy wide rear fenders in CF for under a grand and new wheels and tires.

Personally, I don't see rarity as a good thing. Rare things cost more to fix and are typically harder to get parts for.