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Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy
you only have to look at the Bucs to know thats not the case. Basically the same team with Jameis at the helm went 7-9. And Jameis is one of those guys with "great" arm talent you talk about, but no where near the smarts of Brady. Or you can look at the 2008 season, a year after going 18-1 and losing the superbowl, where brady was hurt, cassel came in and they missed the playoffs.
And while we are on the topic of elite arm talent, being able to throw 80yards isnt the only thing that shows arm talent. Being able to accurately place balls anywhere on the field is a big part of it, and Brady has shown he is one of the best in the league at that. And FWIW, brady last season had more air yards per completion than rodgers. 9.1 intended air yards per attempt and 7.1 completed air yards per completion to rodgers 7.9 and 5.5.
Brady's game has never been focused on deep passing. Mainly because hes never had true deep threats and/or the time in the pocket to wait for the deep ball. But when you give him deep threats like moss or evans or godwin, he has shown hes more than capable of airing it out.
and what records are you talking about? Single season records? For career records, the only one hes not going to hold after this season is Ints. Yards, TDs, Completions, and on and on will all his.
Edit: took at look at Mahomes Air Yards and Brady was better last season than him as well. Mahomes 8.4 and 4.2
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Basically the same team? Maybe I missed Gronk, playing for the Bucs, or Brown or some of the defence. The Bucs team was fundamentally different Brady vs Winston team. The first thing they did was change the playbook to suit Brady’s style. Leaving BB and the Patriots and going to a team that arguably had the most talented skilled players Brady has ever played with was proving a point? Yes, it proved he could move to a great team, with a great offence and defence and he could step in and win.
I’m not talking about guys who can throw it 80 yards, they can all sling it. Most can’t drop dimes on a regular basis - make the throws no one else can, throw a guy “open” because he has the talent to place the ball where no one can, zip it past a defender before he even sees it coming. That is elite arm talent and gifted QB play, that number dwindles when you start looking at those qualities.
Guys like Favre could do that, but clearly he wasn’t ‘smart’ with the ball, given all his interceptions, he played the QB position like a LB.
Mahomes has that talent, he can make all the throws, from all the angles, unbalanced, bad footwork etc, but your jaw drops on a regular basis watching him play. Same with Rodgers, he makes throws look routine that others could only dream of all while taking care of the ball and people take it for granted.
For me, Brady doesn’t have that level of talent, but as I’ve said he is a great QB and the most accomplished to play the position.