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Originally Posted by Bongoxxx
We could go back and forth all day on Brady…is he a HOF QB, yes no doubt.
Is he the most accomplished QB, yes no doubt.
Is he the most talented at his position - not even top 10.
Marino, Elway, P Manning, Montana, Young - I could go on with retired players and there are at least 5 playing today with better arm talent.
Again, would I take him over a lot of those guys in certain instances? Yes, as he gets the job done when it counts, but he even admits there are more talented players than him at the position.
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I will take a brain then knows when to call an audible, how to read the defense, where and when to throw the ball so it is protected and so is the player over someone who can throw it farther or with better accuracy aka 'Arm Talent'. Arm talent does not mean much if you make bad decisions with the ball or can't spot a blitz, man, cover, or throw more interceptions etc.
It is great you mentioned Peyton & Marino man they loved to throw Ints:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...int_career.htm
8 Dan Marino
252 1983-1999
9 Peyton Manning 251 1998-2015
13 Drew Brees 243 2001-2020
33 Tom Brady
193 2000-2021
Just that stat shows a lot. Brady has played 4 more seasons than PM and 5 more than Marino, not counting this season. Imagine if those guys continued another 5 years and how many more Ints they would have thrown. Right now they have 50 more than Brady and played basically 5 years less or 90 regular season games less than Brady while having significantly more INTs.
Better arm talent does not equal a better QB. Arm talent does not win SBs in general. It is the whole package. Talking about arm talent is like me saying
"I could go on with retired players and there are at least 5 playing today with better mobility than Brady" It's a stat that does not matter in the grand scheme of things. I'll take smarts over physical talent any day of the week. No one talk about mobility or arm talent when discussing the GOAT. It is their entire body of work that is considered, not a one off stat.
NFL Passing Yards Career Playoffs Leaders:
1 Tom Brady
12,449 2000-2021
2 Peyton Manning 7,339 1998-2015
3 Brett Favre 5,855 1991-2010
4 Joe Montana 5,772 1979-1994
When TB retires he will likely have over double of 2nd place. He already has more than doubled of 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th etc. He will probably die with this record as well as many others.
Finally Marino, Montana, Young, have all said publicly TB is the GOAT. So...I think their opinion matters more than ours
