Horner in trouble at Red Bull

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I also think this is more of a smokescreen.
The original stories tended more to a sexual claim, but now it's already called "coercive, controlling behaviour", which can mean anything.

Watch this end up being a millennial complaining about not being able to work from home anymore.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

That sure does look suspicious.

Full lock and full throttle.

[Mr Pete]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

+1

Especially powerful bosses and small business owners. God is my witness the number of prima donna that I have put up with during the years. Meetings on Fridays at 4:30pm, weekly exec reports summarising the weekly reports, call me sir, don’t disagree with me, everybody seated before I arrive, don’t put a full stop at the end of bullet points, don’t hyphenate, no jean even on Fridays, etc, etc. Indeed, many bosses are a total pain in the arse.

Is that a attack on me since I mentioned I’m a small business owner? I’m not in the corporate world. I run a small healthcare practice, with employees I consider my family. I give them free reign as long as they work hard towards one goal: best patient care possible. I’m sorry you have had to experience that.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by g21

i think you need to watch the analysis of that crash (not in depth, just video with telemetry). serious.

I've seen it. 100% conjecture. People guessing. Hindsight is 20/20. Armchair F1 drivers examining data and trying to come up with intentionality is absolutely crazy.

But if you believe that, have I got some stories to tell you about the moon, birds, 9/11, and the shape of the earth!

[Marcoose]

Wait, are we relitigating Monaco 2022, the year the champ* got his second* championship ?

LOL

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dfox

I've seen it. 100% conjecture. People guessing. Hindsight is 20/20. Armchair F1 drivers examining data and trying to come up with intentionality is absolutely crazy.

But if you believe that, have I got some stories to tell you about the moon, birds, 9/11, and the shape of the earth!

maybe you should watch F1 drivers response to the video

[dfox]

Originally Posted by g21

maybe you should watch F1 drivers response to the video

Link?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dfox

That story that Perez intentionally crashed his car is complete hogwash. It's that type of journalism that has created all of this nonsense.

Erik van Haren is a Dutch F1 journalist of the established Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf'. Not some random click-bait YouTuber who has never been on a race paddock talking to F1 people.

Back in 2022 he unreservedly claimed that Perez deliberately crashed in Q3 of the Monaco qualies of May 28, 2022. No cautious "maybe", "probably" or "possibly", but "100%", "fact" and "pure intent" (also explicitly denying that his claim was "suggestive").

Now, as that journalist knows very well that making frivolous claims could have dire consequences for himself and his newspaper, we may reasonably assume that he must have duly fact-checked his Perez bomb shell statement prior to making it public as "fact". He litteraly told in an interview about Max Verstappen defying RBR team orders in the final stages of the Brazil 2022 race: "Was it Monaco? He [Max Verstappen] replied something along the lines « You can decide that. I'm not gonna say it ». Well, I just know for 100% that that's case. He's not saying it, but we are there to disclose it to the world.".

Speaking about the 'coincidence' of being at the right place at the right time: van Haren also claimed that during the Azerbaijan race weekend (June 10-12, 2022; the next race after the Monaco race weekend of May 27-29, 2022) he was "by chance standing next to Red Bull" and that he heard Helmut Marko ask where Perez was. According to van Haren, after returning from the press conference, Perez was escorted upstairs where he was "summoned to explain". van Haren added: "And apparently, there, Perez has internally admitted that he had deliberately spun during the final run of the qualifications. He had P3, so it was not about pole position. He saw on his steering wheel via the delta time that he was not faster underway. He thought « I park over there » and so Verstappen - who was faster underway - can no longer pass.". Was van Haren a fly on the wall during that internal conversation or does he have a wild imagination or did someone who's very well-informed and didn't mind a controversial leak, tip this Dutch journalist ?

Perez and Red Bull Racing could have taken action against van Haren because of alleged slander and reputational damage, or could have flatly denied the statement in an official press release, or could have declared van Haren 'persona non grata' at the RBR paddock garage. But it looks as if none of that has happened.

And the smoking gun of the Horner bomb shell news earlier this week ? In case you wondered, it was Erik van Haren again who leaked it as scoop in the "Telesport" section of the Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf': a big cover page featuring the headlines "Independent investigation into team boss Christian Horner - Bomb bursts at Red Bull" and "The end seems near for Horner". The scoop was subsequently picked up in the press worldwide. Horner confirmed to 'De Telegraaf' newspaper that he denies all allegations.

In a Dutch podcast earlier this week, former Dutch F1 driver Giedo van der Garde phoned Erik van Haren to discuss his bomb shell scoop. van Haren explained that he "received a tip" and subsequently duly fact-checked the tip and also discussed with his superiors and legal counsel how to bring this "delicate" scoop last Monday. He added that he had been in contact with Red Bull HQ to query (and to his surprise, they replied fairly quickly that an external investigation was indeed ongoing, instead of refusing to comment) and that he deliberately didn't reveal the peculiars of the case that he has heard, as he preferred to be restrained/reserved for reasons of evidence/proof.



02:48 - 11:05 (phone interview - English auto-generated subtitles available):

Other interview where Erik van Haren explains his scoop (English auto-generated transcript here):

https://www.telegraaf.nl/video/69195...is-veelzeggend

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dfox

Link?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/d...u-think-sainz/

https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-...ng-last-season

[M5Rick]

Could drag on for months and eventually peter out with RB Thai share forces' 51% who support Christian.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Could drag on for months and eventually peter out with RB Thai share forces' 51% who support Christian.

and very awkward team meetings with Marko and Jos

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by g21

and very awkward team meetings with Marko and Jos

CH has said he won't resign and Marko maybe or maybe not interviewed by CH
Jos nothing to do with RBR, he is a guest of them when invited to races.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Erik van Haren is a Dutch F1 journalist of the established Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf'. Not some random click-bait YouTuber who has never been on a race paddock talking to F1 people.

Back in 2022 he unreservedly claimed that Perez deliberately crashed in Q3 of the Monaco qualies of May 28, 2022. No cautious "maybe", "probably" or "possibly", but "100%", "fact" and "pure intent" (also explicitly denying that his claim was "suggestive").

it doesn't need to go to that. anyone who knows how to drive can tell he did something very wrong in that crash. any F1 driver (the best of the best of traction circle practitioners) knows that he did it on purpose. there is nothing one can do to convince people who don't understand traction circles https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/...on_circle.html

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by g21

it doesn't need to go to that. anyone who knows how to drive can tell he did something very wrong in that crash. any F1 driver (the best of the best of traction circle practitioners) knows that he did it on purpose. there is nothing one can do to convince people who don't understand traction circles https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/...on_circle.html

Checo did it ..The Mexican way !

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Checo did it ..The Mexican way !

What is great about you is you never miss an opportunity to show your colours.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

What is great about you is you never miss an opportunity to show your colours.

There are 196 countries on earth . That's 196 nationalities .
That's why the earth is multi-cultural !
I'm a Belgian , born in Belgium .
Checo is Mexican , born in Mexico (I think)

Can you tell me WTF can be wrong with that ???

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

There are 196 countries on earth . That's 196 nationalities .
That's why the earth is multi-cultural !
I'm a Belgian , born in Belgium .
Checo is Mexican , born in Mexico (I think)

Can you tell me WTF can be wrong with that ???

It's unlikely you are ready to grasp the demeaning nuances of your internet persona.

But in the event this is the lucky day, try this: How many times have you heard the one about the Belgium that started a journey to Calais, and returned disappointed when the sign said Pas de Calais ? Or how to fit a dozen Belgium in the boot ? Or how to recognise a Belgium at the airport ? There are literally a thousand demeaning jokes about Belgium folk. You see, from this side of the border, Belgium folk are deemed stupid.

And then you visit Belgium, you meet Belgium, you date Belgium, and you get the joke is on those demeaning Belgium folk. Belgium folk are actually great folk. Well, most are. There's one working his way to full greatness.

But this is all in vein. It is unlikely today is the day you will grasp who you be. Hopefully that day will come before you pin yourself in a corner that no amount of regret, atonement, and re-commitment will redeem you. And sadly that happens very often.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

It's unlikely you are ready to grasp the demeaning nuances of your internet persona.

But in the event this is the lucky day, try this: How many times have you heard the one about the Belgium that started a journey to Calais, and returned disappointed when the sign said Pas de Calais ? Or how to fit a dozen Belgium in the boot ? Or how to recognise a Belgium at the airport ? There are literally a thousand demeaning jokes about Belgium folk. You see, from this side of the border, Belgium folk are deemed stupid.

And then you visit Belgium, you meet Belgium, you date Belgium, and you get the joke is on those demeaning Belgium folk. Belgium folk are actually great folk. Well, most are. There's one working his way to full greatness.

But this is all in vein. It is unlikely today is the day you will grasp who you be. Hopefully that day will come before you pin yourself in a corner that no amount of regret, atonement, and re-commitment will redeem you. And sadly that happens very often.

He isn't assigning a negative connotation to a race, ethnicity or country. If you see it that way the problem is yours.

[3798j]

Could it be M Power-Belgium is just showing "The Belgian way"? It comes across so.

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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I do that often, it's why look so young my friend

[G30M]

so the pic has faded into the abyss?

i am willing to bet that if Horner hires a PI to help him, they'd find that the pic was of another Red Bull employee's anatomy. maybe more than one person's anatomy would be discovered in the female employee's phone.

that would make very juicy news. anyone has CH's email?