Still want an EV?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Looks like we have reached that point in the evolution of a thread on EVs where we need to think of the children and abortion is being discussed. Is this the end?

I'll get us back to the theme of the thread...

I was just over at the EV forum I hang out at. There is a thread about a dude who lives is Pennsylvania and yesterday he and his wife took a trip in his EV to visit Friends and to go out to dinner. The the distance was 198 miles round trip. His EV's range estimator said the car had 230 miles of charge. He drove it 300 feet and the range dropped from 230 to 190. Short story is he had to charge mid trip and drove back home with just the seat heater on for his wife.

I just don't get this. Really. Buy a $50,000 car that you can't use the heat in the winter and have your wife freeze her ass off? My reply to the thread was he should have used ICE for the trip. Ironic isn't it?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I just don't get this. Really. Buy a $50,000 car that you can't use the heat in the winter and have your wife freeze her ass off? My reply to the thread was he should have used ICE for the trip. Ironic isn't it?

In a sane world his post would have been followed by "Slightly Used EV for Sale" But it's not been a sane world for a long time now.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Revealed: Two electric buses caught fire in garage blaze two years before today's double decker blast - sparking fears Sadiq Khan's 1,000-strong fleet is at risk amid push to make all of London's buses 'zero-emission' by 2034
11 January 2024 | Updated: 06:55 EST, 12 January 2024
Fears are growing that the London Mayor's 1,000-strong fleet of electric buses could also be at risk after a huge blast ripped off the back of an Optare Metrodecker 1050 bus in Wimbledon this morning.

MailOnline can today reveal how all Metrodecker 1050s were temporarily taken out of service for safety checks in spring 2022 after two were involved in a fire at Potters Bar bus garage in Hertfordshire.


Two Optare Metrodecker 1050 London electric buses were involved in a major fire at Potters Bar bus garage in Hertfordshire on May 22, 2022 (above) - which destroyed a total of six buses

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...adiq-Khan.html

Woolwich bus fire: Second London bus fire just one day after critical incident in Wimbledon
A London Fire Brigade spokesperson told the Daily Mail: "We were called at 6.49am to reports of a bus on fire on Factory Road in North Woolwich.

"'Firefighters attended and brought the fire under control by 7.55am. One double-decker bus was destroyed by fire.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/woolwich...mbledon-london

Move Along, Nothing to See Here.

Ahh lets breathe in Ka hn's net zero dream fresh air...good for children and old people?

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll get us back to the theme of the thread...

I was just over at the EV forum I hang out at. There is a thread about a dude who lives is Pennsylvania and yesterday he and his wife took a trip in his EV to visit Friends and to go out to dinner. The the distance was 198 miles round trip. His EV's range estimator said the car had 230 miles of charge. He drove it 300 feet and the range dropped from 230 to 190. Short story is he had to charge mid trip and drove back home with just the seat heater on for his wife.

I just don't get this. Really. Buy a $50,000 car that you can't use the heat in the winter and have your wife freeze her ass off? My reply to the thread was he should have used ICE for the trip. Ironic isn't it?

Well, it sounds like she didn't freeze her ass off.

[Tejas1836]

[Car-Addicted]

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[M5Rick]

-20C in Chicago, I feel sorry for anyone trapped with a dead EV. Need a Canada Goose jacket there!

[KRS_SN]

The wltp(23 degree celsius) and epa (degree celsius) ranges are tested at those temperatures.This is misleading. By default there should be information about range at any temperature explained to the buyer before sale.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

The wltp(23 degree celsius) and epa (degree celsius) ranges are tested at those temperatures.This is misleading. By default there should be information about range at any temperature explained to the buyer before sale.

Frankly, its not just manufacturers but just the consumers themselves, how can consumers be this laizze faire regarding a sizeable purchase that affects a huge chunk of their lives... I get not everyone are car people, but making the plunge is not a small decision, yet it seems so many dive head first into it only to find out its issues later. EVs are no longer brand new to the market, and cold's effect on range should be common knowledge now

The manufacturers selectively hide the information is not new, and they are just as complicit in the pain of the consumer, but consumers are also responsible for learning themselves and whether it fits their use case, its not a $3.99 bag of chips here..

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Frankly, its not just manufacturers but just the consumers themselves, how can consumers be this laizze faire regarding a sizeable purchase that affects a huge chunk of their lives...

People under the influence of cults is similar to that we observe in addicts. Typical behaviour for both includes draining bank accounts, neglecting children, destroying relations with family and losing interest in anything except the drug or cult.
Keith Henson

[crAbb]

[crAbb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll get us back to the theme of the thread...

I was just over at the EV forum I hang out at. There is a thread about a dude who lives is Pennsylvania and yesterday he and his wife took a trip in his EV to visit Friends and to go out to dinner. The the distance was 198 miles round trip. His EV's range estimator said the car had 230 miles of charge. He drove it 300 feet and the range dropped from 230 to 190. Short story is he had to charge mid trip and drove back home with just the seat heater on for his wife.

I just don't get this. Really. Buy a $50,000 car that you can't use the heat in the winter and have your wife freeze her ass off? My reply to the thread was he should have used ICE for the trip. Ironic isn't it?

My wife would divorce me for less...

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by crAbb

Please don’t post my pic on here.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Well, it sounds like she didn't freeze her ass off.

Well, then he did. LOL.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Frankly, its not just manufacturers but just the consumers themselves, how can consumers be this laizze faire regarding a sizeable purchase that affects a huge chunk of their lives... I get not everyone are car people, but making the plunge is not a small decision, yet it seems so many dive head first into it only to find out its issues later. EVs are no longer brand new to the market, and cold's effect on range should be common knowledge now

The manufacturers selectively hide the information is not new, and they are just as complicit in the pain of the consumer, but consumers are also responsible for learning themselves and whether it fits their use case, its not a $3.99 bag of chips here..

Back in 2013 when I was looking in depth at buying a Model S (it was the only EV with a +200-mile range at the time) for my 165-mile round trip daily commute, the most frustrating part was trying to find real test data on winter range degradation. A decade later there is still no official (EPA) test data that provides winter range. The reason is it is significant, on the order of 15% to - 35%. If consumers knew of this information EV adoption would be even less than it is.

This is the problem with EV, the Government is so invested in it, it's Agency that is supposed to inform the consumer purposefully does not provide critical battery efficiency/range information. This is a significant disservice that we as taxpayers should be getting from our government. There is not one iota of consumer protection information about ICE that is not provided on the Maroney window sticker. IMO it is literally falsifying information provided to the Public. People can die from lack of winter range data by running out of electricity on a winter night in sub-freezing temperatures.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Frankly, its not just manufacturers but just the consumers themselves, how can consumers be this laizze faire regarding a sizeable purchase that affects a huge chunk of their lives... I get not everyone are car people, but making the plunge is not a small decision, yet it seems so many dive head first into it only to find out its issues later. EVs are no longer brand new to the market, and cold's effect on range should be common knowledge now

The manufacturers selectively hide the information is not new, and they are just as complicit in the pain of the consumer, but consumers are also responsible for learning themselves and whether it fits their use case, its not a $3.99 bag of chips here..

Originally Posted by gblansten

Please don’t post my pic on here.

I bet the plastic tires are great for making drifting videos.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I bet the plastic tires are great for making drifting videos.

I'm just busy looking fancy.

[crAbb]

Who's with me?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm just busy looking fancy.

Immediate flashback.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by crAbb

Who's with me?

No thank you

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

No thank you

The moon buggy wouldn't pass an MOT over here.

[Car-Addicted]

More shocking news from the world of global warming idiots.
Texas Grid Operator Asks Residents to Conserve Energy, Unplug Appliances, Amid Bitter Cold Snap Due to Issues with Solar, Wind Generation
Jan. 15, 2024
Texas grid operator ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) on Monday asked residents to conserve electricity use as temperatures fall below zero with the wind chill in some parts of the state.
The Texas grid operator begged residents to avoid using large appliances, lower thermostats a degree or two, turn off and unplug non-essential lights, and set pool pumps to run early morning or overnight; shut off during peak hours due to issues with solar, wind generation.
According to ERCOT, solar and wind generation this week are forecast “to be lower than seasonally expected” during peak hours:

Why the Request to Reduce Usage?
Weather. Most of Texas is seeing extremely cold temperatures for an extended period of time.
Demand. Texas is experiencing record-breaking demand due to the cold weather.
Solar. Solar generation isn’t available in the early morning hours, which is a peak demand time during winter, and slowly ramps up as the sun rises.
Wind. Wind generation is forecasted to be lower than seasonally expected in the early morning hours.

When will they learn?