Still want an EV?

[Lady Jane]

Don't be like Greta, Be like Mo.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

My point against EVs is very simple. At this point of time, the move to EVs is largely political and taxpayer money. If you own one and you bought it with your own money, I don't care.

I know someone who went down to the docks to collect his Tes after paying for it in full, he's after the retirement age and still works, also has the comfort of home charging on his driveway. I think he did the deal all on line.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

amazing what the free market can do with a little help from DARPA.

the government tax spenders are wasting billions of tax payer dollars on technology

Do you see the irony in these two statements?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Do you see the irony in these two statements?

No Reading is Fundamental to understanding the thread.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by gonzo

"The Chinese government will have nothing to do with our Michigan EV plant"
Ford Motor Company February 2023.

Investigation results released today:

"Ford Motor Company is planning to contract technology and software from at least four Chinese firms that supply similar services to the Chinese government and military, and the North Korean government"


What a tangled web they've woven.

"Former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told lawmakers that a proposed electric vehicle battery plant in Michigan could be used for Chinese espionage"

Ya think?

It's as if the guvnure, who strongly pushed for the plant even after warnings, is somehow tied to China.

Ya think?

[gonzo]

The desperation is getting comical, if not outright absurd.

"Montauk, Fishers Island in New York, Martha’s Vineyard, and Nantucket in Massachusetts will now be classified as “low-income” and eligible for EV charger subsidies"

NOTHING will surprise me as this crew winds their time up.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gonzo

NOTHING will surprise me as this crew winds their time up.

That's cute, you think this is over on January 20, 2025.

[Car-Addicted]

Some good news to start the day.
China EVs: lithium producers Ganfeng, Tianqi issue profit warnings, blame price plunge for battery material as stocks sink
31 Jan, 2024
The two producers of the metal that powers EV batteries expect 2023 net profit to decline by as much as 80 per cent
Ganfeng shares dropped 5 per cent and Tianqi declined 5.9 per cent on Wednesday in Hong Kong
“Due to the cyclical [nature] of the lithium industry and the growth rate of [end-user] demand slowing down, [there was] a significant decrease in the price of lithium-salt products,” Ganfeng said in its filing to Hong Kong’s bourse.
“In 2024, we believe the focus will be on the supply side,” said Daiwa’s analysts in the report. “De-capacity is the name of the game.”
https://www.scmp.com/business/commod...ttery-material



The spirit of the age media can lie all they want but the financial news can generally be trusted to tell the facts. Money flows to where it profitable.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Okay. In order to save the planet I will stand here and freeze to death until my eco car is charged. By then, I might remember where I'm going.


Attachment 3374967

Well Jane , that was your own choice

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well Jane , that was your own choice

Hi stranger.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Hi stranger. Attachment 3377676

I'm not sure about that , actually I'm very well known at this forum ...

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

It touch on everything about EVs. Lots of interesting facts
https://www.city-journal.org/article...ctric-vehicles

This is a very interesting article. Worth the read. Shocked it's from City Journal

Tapping the Brakes on Electric Vehicles
Jan 29 2024
Couple highlights
Facts and context matter. The world in 2023 saw, according to NOAA, a new peak in global CO2 emissions. The claimed 122 megatons cut by EVs sounds big, but it amounts to only 0.03 percent of global emissions. For context, oil-burning war-machines in Ukraine are adding at least that much CO2 to the atmosphere yearly.

The problem is that you can’t measure an EV’s CO2 emissions.

The CO2 emissions arising from building an EV before it gets driven revolve around a simple fact: a typical EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. That half-ton battery is made from a wide range of minerals, including copper, nickel, aluminum, graphite, and lithium. Accessing those minerals requires digging up and processing some 250 tons of earth per vehicle. All that mining, processing, and refining uses hydrocarbons and emits CO2. The critical fact found in the technical literature is that those upstream emissions vary by 300 percent or more, depending on where and when materials are mined and processed. At the higher end of known ranges, upstream battery emissions can wipe out emissions avoided by not driving a gasoline car.

But the rate of EV adoption will slow long before there’s a battery-dominated future because, again, we’ll run out of money, copper, and political tolerance for enriching other nations—especially China, where 50 percent to 90 percent of the critical materials are now produced and will be for years yet, no matter how lawmakers rewrite the sourcing regulations. And if proposed EPA rules for an EV-dominated future do become law, count on millions of very unhappy consumers, otherwise known as voters.
https://www.city-journal.org/article...ctric-vehicles

Thank you eugenebmw for the original post.

[RM7]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-pip...142035973.html

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-pip...142035973.html

For some folks that seem to need a reminder.
Uses of Natural Gas
Natural gas is an important fuel and a raw material in manufacturing.
https://geology.com/articles/natural-gas-uses/

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

For some folks that seem to need a reminder.
Uses of Natural Gas
Natural gas is an important fuel and a raw material in manufacturing.
https://geology.com/articles/natural-gas-uses/

fire and explosion hazard, looks dangerous

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by RM7

fire and explosion hazard, looks dangerous

My understanding is that only EVs are flammable. We should all take five right now and think of the children.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

My understanding is that only EVs are flammable. We should all take five right now and think of the children.

You mean these children mining Cobalt for EV batteries?


Teed that right up for me.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You mean these children mining Cobalt for EV batteries?


Teed that right up for me.

Or the children who have died in the last hundred years of war over oil. Either way.

[gonzo]

^
I've got a handful of filled speech balloons for the young one looking at the camera...

Bet he'd like to come to our horribly racist and unjust country.
We are overrun with oblivious ninnies.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You mean these children mining Cobalt for EV batteries?


Teed that right up for me.

Forget about this picture. All the EVs ppl have tunnel vision and blind All they see is this

[eugenebmw]

I don't have a chemistry degree. Point me out if I am wrong.

EV battery raw materials

The primary materials that make up an EV battery are lithium, manganese, and cobalt. A report by Nature estimates that a typical EV battery uses about 8 kilograms of lithium, 14 kilograms of cobalt, and 20 kilograms of manganese.

Let’s explore below each material’s mining process and its environmental impact.

Lithium-ion

Lithium is mainly produced from salt flats or underground brine reservoirs, with most of the production concentrated in South America (namely Bolivia, Argentina, and Chile) and China.

Extracting lithium from the brine is fairly straightforward and is done by evaporating the water to leave behind a lithium-rich solution.

Lithium mining’s environmental impact
Because of this evaporation process, lithium mining uses a large amount of groundwater that gets lost in the process. This can deprive local communities of drinking water and harms farming by reducing the water available for irrigation – especially given that most of the world’s lithium is extracted in arid regions with scarce water supplies in the first place.

On top of that, the remaining liquid left after lithium is extracted can contain toxic or radioactive elements and needs to be cleaned and stored before it can be released.

Cobalt

Besides lithium, cobalt is an often-cited culprit in EV batteries’ environmental and social impact. Cobalt is currently one of the main components of an EV battery’s cells.

Cobalt mining
Cobalt is produced as a byproduct of copper and nickel mining but can also be mined directly, with Australia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) being the main producers.

Cobalt is perhaps one of the most problematic materials used in electric vehicles, both environmentally and socially. Cobalt mines produce toxic residues that can leach into the environment, poisoning groundwater and harming nearby communities. Additionally, smelting cobalt ore produces fumes with a high concentration of sulfur oxide and other air pollutants.

On top of their environmental impact, cobalt mines also raise labor concerns. With little formal regulation and oversight, workers in cobalt mines are often underpaid and lack adequate protective equipment, tools, and training. These dangerous conditions create problematic labor practices, which can lead to injury or even death.

Question: Is it ok to kill or injury people to save the world? Is it ok to kill or injury people to make other people lives better?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Or the children who have died in the last hundred years of war over oil. Either way.

If we were really interested in the lives of children maybe the 73 million induced abortions or 200,000 abortions per day world wide (WHO) would matter but it doesn't, does it. As long as people can hum along in their EV's or worry about who Taylor Swift is dating we will all be fine.