Still want an EV?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by murderspice

But what about brakes?

swap them out daily.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

Note: this is just a history lesson regarding government.

From Wikipedia:

"Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries."

"Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production. Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit."

End of internet thesis paper...

[crAbb]

One for the EV drivers....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

Even harder tyres? Search me

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

£2.54T over here.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Even harder tyres? Search me

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The point eugenebmw is making warrants that EV tyres generally have a shorter lifespan compared to lighter gas cars because of their heavier weight.

In urban environments (including one of my friend is going to purchase a EV very soon) are buying EV for cost, or because of the gov. rebate. Yes, they don't have to pay for the gas, but now they have to pay for tires and all other inconveniences . Is it really saving money. May be if they drive like grandpa and grandma

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Also some EV users (including one of my friend is going to purchase a EV very soon) are thinking owning a EV will save them money. Yes, you don't pay for the gas, but now you have pay for tires. Is it really saving money. May be if you drive like a grandpa and grandma

Shouldn’t we fully expect the market to develop harder, more long-lasting tires as EV adoption increases?

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Note: this is just a history lesson regarding government.

From Wikipedia:

"Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries."

"Fascist economics supported a state-controlled economy that accepted a mix of private and public ownership over the means of production. Economic planning was applied to both the public and private sector and the prosperity of private enterprise depended on its acceptance of synchronizing itself with the economic goals of the state. Fascist economic ideology supported the profit motive, but emphasized that industries must uphold the national interest as superior to private profit."

End of internet thesis paper...

That is exactly what I said.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

That is exactly what I said.

Actually no, it's the opposite of what you understand it to be and what you said.

You said, "Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to?"

Those words mean the corporation dictates government policy. What is highlighted in bold in text says the opposite; it explains how corporations must adhere to the policies of the State (i.e. the Government) under a fascist government.

[MmmmmM2]

This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Kind of like the "Jelly of the Month" Xmas bonus from Christmas Vacation.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Actually no, it's the opposite of what you understand it to be and what you said.

You said, "Would you prefer it if your govt just adopted whatever policy a (large) manufacturer told it to?"

Those words mean the corporation dictates government policy. What is highlighted in bold in text says the opposite; it explains how corporations must adhere to the policies of the State (i.e. the Government) under a fascist government.

See:

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Kind of like the "Jelly of the Month" Xmas bonus from Christmas Vacation.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

See:

Okay, I'm using real terms and real definitions as determined by history. You are using some internet prejoritve crap. Fascism came into being as a Governmental system in 1922, in Italy.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.

Where ever do you get that tripe?

fascism /făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Wow. I like Harrys reviews I find him to be pretty fair and not biased. The interesting take away is the 10% loss of KWH during charging. So you're losing 10% which might not sound like much but as electricity prices inevitably go up that will add up.

Not to mention wasteful as fck.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this before... I think the govt got way too involved in things they shouldn't have... namely for the purposes of this discussion - a ton of money headed towards EVs and credits, that we just don't have.

WHICH... ironically was led by corporate lobbying in the form of Tesla looking for a handout and later not paying their taxes and / or moving locations to prevent payment of taxes... here is where the GOVT didn't get involved and just let things pass.

That's the circle of life in this country. We can no longer afford a fraction of what we currently spend money on.

Sounds like we need revenue :/

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Okay, I'm using real terms and real definitions as determined by history. You are using some internet

No, you are using wikipedia.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Where ever do you get that tripe?

fascism /făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Please explain how my quote does not meet this definition.

Edit: “Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.” To clarify, i mean little ‘p’ private.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

No, you are using wikipedia.

Yes, which cites historians. So I don't have to spend time writing it myself.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Please explain how my quote does not meet this definition.

Edit: “Fascism is when social interests are replaced by those of a private entity.” To clarify, i mean little ‘p’ private.

I'll help...

Because fascism is both a form of Govenment and an economic system. Private entities are neither.

More citation from Politicalresearch.org regarding Mussolini's writings on the subject of state control of corporations:

The Labour Charter (Promulgated by the Grand Council ofr Fascism on April 21, 1927)—(published in the Gazzetta Ufficiale, April 3, 1927) [sic] (p. 133)

The Corporate State and its Organization (p. 133)

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: ‘Ardita’ Publishers.