Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

You're sad, talking about the elitest imposing regulation that will lead to significant degradation in quality of life for those without wealth is being fearful. The same guy 10 years from now wondering why everything went to shit.

Are you more repressed and have a lower quality life now than you did 20 years ago?

[Ugly Kar]

MB seeing the light too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...755d54fcb&ei=9

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by RM7

Oh, wow, thank you Dr. Youtube for posting some diarrhea from the interwebs. Now, do you have any actual proof?

What's proof to you?

https://defendershield.com/electric-...be-bad-for-you

What level of proof is acceptable?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6513191/


It's hilarious to talk to people who have done zero measurements or read any studies on the subject call me a hack. My wife has EMF sensitivity, and when I started measuring the sources of it and doing research I was amazed at what I found.

Like the government not only not providing proper oversight, but blocking people from informing themselves:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...public-courts/

Or the dangers of cellphone radiation:

https://cellphonetaskforce.org/epidemiological-studies/

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I think it's time we check AmuroRay's freezer for human heads. He's gone off the deep end, possibly worse than Weather Man and Car-Addicted.

This man ate uranium and swam in (and drank) powerplant discharge water and died at the age of 82 - 22 years after doing these demonstrations for years.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

If the EU and British allow this cheap EV take over they deserve what they get.
This is a refreshing Top Gear reminder of British Automotive Nationalism. Should remind everyone of what is at stake here.
British made motors take over the Mall | Top Gear - BBC

Rule Brittania,
Brittania rule the waves,
but some brits will be be be be EV slaves.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Gotta give the guy an "A" for effort!

He must have a paraffin heater under the batch of batteries

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Their dealer network told them you won't have an American dealer network, if you stay on your EV track.

Dealer network is antiquated as a business model.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Wrong, lol. Tesla is finding that out the hard way. They ran out of buyers willing to overlook the awful service they provide and are trying to sell to people who actually expect to be taken care of.

Wait so sales are down because of service? Damn I thought all EVs catching fire would have definitely outweighed poor service. Worst service I ever had was at a BMW dealer. 100x worse than the one time I ever had to go to a Tesla service center.

Then again WTF do I know. I just own one. Not like I've watched 326 YouTube videos like the actual EV scholars in here.

[M5Rick]

^ There are good and bad dealers for all makes, depends on the problem your BMW had and how it was dealt with, care to explain..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

???

Certainly takes away the stigma of BMW drivers parking azz out of the lines.
What a total bellend

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

It's just a none issue for me. Fortunately I have other cars if I had the need to start driving cross country and for my regular driving it has more range than I ever come close to using. I even charge with the slow 110v charger and that's plenty for me. Most days I don't even go anywhere or drive maybe less than 5 miles.

I have several other cars too; all are different from each other. But I look at my cars independently from each other, as if I just need a single-car fleet. I had a hellacious commute for 15 years, which required at least two cars in case one was down for maintenance. The others are my wife's cars (mine really - I maintain and fuel them) we've collected over the years (read as not gotten rid of). In reality, I could get rid of three of my cars and not lose a 100% use case. I should just keep the 4-door pickup and one other car for downtime for the truck when it's under maintenance. But I'm not that smart, or probably just an addicted car-guy. It's an affliction - I'm on the spectrum...

So, looking at an EV as independent and a single-car use case, I just couldn't deal with the road-trip charging scenario, even if it was using Tesla's network, because Tesla's network is not everywhere; it is not ubiquitous like the gasoline station network. Waiting 40 minutes to gain some 150 miles of range in the winter on a road trip would not be tolerable for me. And planning routes around charging stations, even as easy as Tesla makes it, is still a PITA from my point of view. With an ICEV, fuel planning is: wait-until-the-fuel-tank-is-at-40-miles-until-empty-and-decide-which-gas-station-to-stop-at-to-refuel, anywhere in the USA. I understand the majority EV use case being charge at home and drive 30 miles a day. Great, but an EV doesn't standalone for me as a full-use (case) vehicle.

I think most of the market thinks this same way, ICEV is just more convenient. 5-minute refuels and no range loss due to seasonal changes fits everyone's use case. Private at-home charging can be great, but not everyone in the market has that; I'd say most of the market doesn't. For me, like for this morning, I'd have to walk over to my barn - where I have 240V electricity and can setup a home L2 charger - 3-minutes in the pouring rain. F that.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

???

Why didn't she just back-in, like normal Tesla's do?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Wrong, lol. Tesla is finding that out the hard way. They ran out of buyers willing to overlook the awful service they provide and are trying to sell to people who actually expect to be taken care of.

I think it is more of Tesla is realizing that a nationwide independent dealer network gives them the real estate they need when cars start stacking up during slow sales months.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Gotta give the guy an "A" for effort!

Matching stainless steel with aluminum bodies, just groovy.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ There are good and bad dealers for all makes, depends on the problem your BMW had and how it was dealt with, care to explain..

And that is the problem with dealers. There should not be good and bad dealers.

My particular bad BMW dealer would always have a massive wait time just to drop off the damn car. Sometimes I would be there for an hour WITH an appointment. Their loaner cars were disgusting, pretty sure one of them had literal snot all over the dash, can you at least wipe it down with a dirty rag so you can't see the snot? Nah send it! Doesn't help that my freaking e92 335i probably spent more time there than at my house.

One time they were fixing my AC and I get the car back and immediately I notice my wood trim looked very odd. SA says he doesn't know anything. Dude... this piece of trim is a totally different color than the rest??? Oh yeah sorry, we broke it and replaced it. With a different fucking color??? Eventually they ordered the correct trim but apparently they were hoping I just woudln't notice.

They also crashed my car while on their lot... so there's that.

Tesla has done none of those things. Of course only had to go to the service center once for minor things after delivery. The best service IMO is not needing any service.

When I blew 2 tires on my last Tesla going through some pot holes in the rain didn't even have to go to a service center. Tesla sent their tech to my house and he replaced the tires right on my driveway.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have several other cars too; all are different from each other. But I look at my cars independently from each other, as if I just need a single-car fleet. I had a hellacious commute for 15 years, which required at least two cars in case one was down for maintenance. The others are my wife's cars (mine really - I maintain and fuel them) we've collected over the years (read as not gotten rid of). In reality, I could get rid of three of my cars and not lose a 100% use case. I should just keep the 4-door pickup and one other car for downtime for the truck when it's under maintenance. But I'm not that smart, or probably just an addicted car-guy. It's an affliction - I'm on the spectrum...

So, looking at an EV as independent and a single-car use case, I just couldn't deal with the road-trip charging scenario, even if it was using Tesla's network, because Tesla's network is not everywhere; it is not ubiquitous like the gasoline station network. Waiting 40 minutes to gain some 150 miles of range in the winter on a road trip would not be tolerable for me. And planning routes around charging stations, even as easy as Tesla makes it, is still a PITA from my point of view. With an ICEV, fuel planning is: wait-until-the-fuel-tank-is-at-40-miles-until-empty-and-decide-which-gas-station-to-stop-at-to-refuel, anywhere in the USA. I understand the majority EV use case being charge at home and drive 30 miles a day. Great, but an EV doesn't standalone for me as a full-use (case) vehicle.

I think most of the market thinks this same way, ICEV is just more convenient. 5-minute refuels and no range loss due to seasonal changes fits everyone's use case. Private at-home charging can be great, but not everyone in the market has that; I'd say most of the market doesn't. For me, like for this morning, I'd have to walk over to my barn - where I have 240V electricity and can setup a home L2 charger - 3-minutes in the pouring rain. F that.

If I could not charge at home I would not buy one. For me that is a huge benefit over ICE. When we go to NC where it's all ICE I realize how much I hate having to go put gas.

That being said I have taken the Tesla to NC like I said before and I have never had to wait to use any supercharger between FL and NC and most stops are 15 min or less. The only time I will stop longer is if I'm having lunch. There are several superchargers around the house in FL that I drive by all the time and I've never seen them full.

Now if you live in CA or live in the middle of nowhere Wyoming somewhere then your results may be different. But the same way I personally wouldn't buy an EV if I can't charge at home I also wouldn't buy an F350 if I didn't have an RV to tow and I wouldn't buy a miata if I didn't have mountain roads to drive it on.

If the shit hit the fan tomorrow and I had to sell all but 1 car... I would probably keep the Tesla. If I was living in NC full time then I would probably keep the truck.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm feeling happy.

There is a saying 'I'm alright Jack'

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

And that is the problem with dealers. There should not be good and bad dealers.

My particular bad BMW dealer would always have a massive wait time just to drop off the damn car. Sometimes I would be there for an hour WITH an appointment. Their loaner cars were disgusting, pretty sure one of them had literal snot all over the dash, can you at least wipe it down with a dirty rag so you can't see the snot? Nah send it! Doesn't help that my freaking e92 335i probably spent more time there than at my house.

One time they were fixing my AC and I get the car back and immediately I notice my wood trim looked very odd. SA says he doesn't know anything. Dude... this piece of trim is a totally different color than the rest??? Oh yeah sorry, we broke it and replaced it. With a different fucking color??? Eventually they ordered the correct trim but apparently they were hoping I just woudln't notice.

They also crashed my car while on their lot... so there's that.

Tesla has done none of those things. Of course only had to go to the service center once for minor things after delivery. The best service IMO is not needing any service.

When I blew 2 tires on my last Tesla going through some pot holes in the rain didn't even have to go to a service center. Tesla sent their tech to my house and he replaced the tires right on my driveway.

Looks like a bad experience for sure comparing the two, heavy handed treatment for your 3 series and after the park collision it was definitely time to change dealerships.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You know I never even thought of that side, holy s#it you can count me out of ever getting into an EV, No thanks.

You know what, those EV owners will tell you 'anyway everyone will going to die sooner or later' does it really matter ?? !!!

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Please don't talk on things you know nothing about.

Read the first comment and you can watch people measure it on Youtube. I have a Trifield meter I bought ($2XX on Amazon) and you would be BLOWN away at what you can find.

Microwaves, despite being advertised as safe, blast RF, Smart meters are basically off the charts. Even cell phones are unsafe, yet people put them in their pockets without a thought.

You know one common thing with EV owners is tunnel vision. Of course one full day of driving your EV will not kill you. But driving for years is a different story

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

He must have a paraffin heater under the batch of batteries

diesel generator hiding away

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

You know one common thing with EV owners is tunnel vision. Of course one full day of driving your EV will not kill you. But driving for years is a different story

Most microwaves use 6000 times (or higher) the power levels being quoted to cook food and the they work by water molecules absorbing the RF energy which means it heats up. The RF band which this happens is a quite narrow frequency band, so unless that meter is tuned to only filter that band, likely it is much lower power for the frequencies that can heat water. At that very low power levels chance of raising the temperature of skin is negligible, let alone deeper in body.

Most likely the RF power being measured is at a much lower frequency and is likely related to things like switch mode power supplies used to charge the battery - at this lower frequency the photons won't be harmful.